The Gracie Combatives course is comprised of 36 lessons covering the core techniques of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. Completion of the lessons and mastery of the. Please indicate if you also have other bjj training. I’m interested in the combatives stuff and just want to hear some opinions. Little Champs (ages ) | Tuesday and Thursday | pm. Jr. Grapplers ( ages ) | Monday and Thursday | pm. Combatives (Beginner Adults) .
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Discussion in ‘ Grappling Technique ‘ started by PotentialJul 24, Log in or Sign up. May 21, Messages: I thought I would share my experiences and opinion since periodically someone will come on the board, ask questions, and get some very one sided answers from people who really have no experience with both.
That being said, sport BJJ is geared toward competition with rules so many schools no longer teach ANY of the pure self defense techniques. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has gone through a metamorphosis and has been adapted to fit the current competition environment. The Gracie Combatives are really just a selection of the original self defense techniques taught by Helio and are not designed to be used against someone who knows BJJ.
Against someone who knows BJJ some of the Combatives work Trap and Rollothers become irrelevant punch block seriesand other still will not work on them at all this version of elevator sweep.
That is not what they are designed for. They work better and are more efficient than specifically BJJ techniques against these people. Some people my not believe this, but just think about it for a minute. Techniques are geared to act counter to a specific action. BJJ practitioners are much less likely to make a novice type of mistake. They have reactions to counter your technique and balance and the BJJ techniques take those reactions into account. Because of this certain techniques will not work on them as well, others work much better.
Will BJJ techniques still work for self defense?
Of course, but their are techniques in the Combatives that are more effective in this very specific situation. Gracie Combatives techniques are great if you take them for what they were designed to do.
They are not meant for sport competition, but they are still the original Gracie techniques as taught by Helio not all of them, 36 of them to be combative.
My Experience with both Gracie Combatives and Sport BJJ
Now onto the training in a garage vs training in a school controversy. In my opinion most BJJ instructionals are not detailed enough to allow you to learn very effectively at home without an experienced coach to guide you. Once you reach a certain level and know and understand the basics of jiu jitsu, then you can probably learn a great deal on your own with the instructionals and make them work for you without a combatived. That being said I agree with many that it would be very difficult to learn on your own from the beginning without a good instructor.
They gradie as much as 30 minutes to one hour on a single lesson including explanation, demonstration, details, and drills. This makes the set combstives large by necessity 13 DVDs to cover 36 lessons.
They cover all the most common mistakes, etc. It is great and for BJJ quite detailed, but not nearly as detailed as the Combatives.
It cannot be, it covers many techniques in only 2 dvds. I suspect that the only reason they can charge so little is that it they will make more money with everything else you buy on their site once you get hooked. I am not hating on them, it is business and they are very, very good at it. I doubt that any BJJ instructor is going to have the time or means to make a set nearly as detailed as the Combatives.
If they do it will have to be way to expensive for most people to afford. Perceived weakness with the Gracie Combatives: Alot of people really area against this and I can understand why. They are good things about it and bad things. How many of you have been injured multiple times or re-injured and had to take some significant time off training?
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How many have had to quite completely. I know that I have had to take months off because of injuries. The journey from white to blue is got to be one of the most injury gradie periods in jiu jitsu because you really do not know how to roll safely at first and you do not know your own limits. If you knew the basics and were comfortable on the ground by drilling techniques and fight simulation drills for hrs before competing for sparring you would be much less like to injure yourself. That would make you much more combatvies to continue your journey in jiu jitsu.
This makes everyone happier. Obviously the other side of this is that since you do not spar until later in the game you are not learning as quickly maybe this is partially balanced by time out for injuries? I believe in sparring.
I think that it is what really sets this martial art aside from others. You can spar full speed and power and see if it works. Everyone can walk away unscathed usually and do it again the next day. In my opinion it is very hard to pick up “clean” technique in a school. To really get technique clean and crisp you have to drill, drill, drill, drill There is no time for that in class usually. In my experience you are usually exposed to too many techniques in too short a period to really learn much or build any reflexes.
If you are lucky you pick up one and eventually in the next few sparring sessions you can make it start to work for you. I feel that this is a really inefficient way of learning. What I graxie most out of class is the sparring. And the sparring is lacking until later of course. They both have different purposes. I am glad I have done both. I love the sparring.
That combined with class would be a great combo. PotentialJul 24, Aug 22, Messages: I’m not sure your conclusion that “Training Gracie Combatives is not better or worse than training at a sport BJJ school” is a valid conclusion given your observations. If the one huge selling point is that Grace Combatives focuses on drilling crisp techniques, I have to tell you that there are plenty of “sport” BJJ schools that focus on drilling crisp techniques; give you time to drill the techniques; teach you solid, useful BJJ technique; and allow you to roll each class.
It could be that you just found a club which doesn’t drill much. If you take out the drilling part of the equation, this may be a more valid conclusion based on your observations: Jun 3, Messages: You wrote this article to make yourself feel better about training at a combatives school because you have been getting womped on at tournaments by “sport bjj” players.
It’s okay though, they were really sneaky with their sweeps that you were never taught DevinTheDewdJul 24, Mar 8, Messages: Barely anyone at white belt is willing to do this much work. Dead reps, situation sparring, etc will all help more than just sparring.
Sparring is just applying what you’ve drilling into memory. McA and Coconutwater like this. Apr 9, Messages: Though right now at GB premiun, rookies are not suppous to roll befero 3 or 4 months I do agree that at the beggining, rolling should not be that important, I do feel like teaching teachnique and doing situational rolling is more important than free rolling I was like, ok I think the studen has to has at least the most basic concepts down before starting to roll, such as what is a guard Nov 26, Messages: SevenSamuraiJul 24, May 9, Messages: Aug 30, Messages: The KJul 24, Jul 20, Messages: I quite like the combatitives program.
I think it is an excellent addition to a white belts arsenal. I dont like how it comvatives to reccomend training without an instructor. Jul 28, Messages: I’m glad I go to a school that teaches sport and self defense BJJ so I don’t have to deal with this crap haha. Aug 4, Messages: I’m glad I go to a school that teaches BJJ, period, that I’ve used literally dozens of times in self defense and succeeded well in tournaments using.
CommissarJul 25, Mar 7, Combativs Knowing something than nothing is better, and GC will fill the gap if real BJJ school is combxtives of reach. DraimanJul 25, Nov 1, Messages: How much experience do you have? A lot of this doesn’t reflect my personal experience in training.